vSphere 7 and Kubernetes - Should Customers Wait?
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m. v realized in vSphere and we talked about the the requirement of why we need these and VMware wants to assure stability I think was there what was there were so you don't have to use it for your storage provider and permanent storage and your kubernetes workloads but you have to use it for the management domain so that limits it to kind of like the really big customers that tells me that [Music] implementation is probably not where VMware wants it from a ethics I type of experience have you played around with the beta bits for what what was known as project specific yet yeah I have and it's just like you said right you have to install a bunch of extra extra things like source layer networking layer and you know given that kubernetes itself is fairly complex I gather there is a couple of limitations and requirements around networking but even you know even in those cases I mean career Nettie's is supposed to kind of be that central central industry interface for people to communicate on the application layer and so it shouldn't necessarily be so difficult to have that underlay that infrastructure be a lean and mean solution and you know I think that we've come up to a point where now I agreed this is going to be for the big customers right little customers will probably not run the VMware or this experience on Prem they will go and you know use other solutions out there from a vendor maybe from a managed service provider that offers is but you know if you want to see this kind of come down stream eventually there should be you know that it should be back to basics it should be the way that VMware used to be you know at least after the vSphere or starting with a visa for four days where we have that ESXi hypervisor things were fairly simple yet again so yeah sure is going to be and I guess that goes back to the announcement when Pat announced this whole kubernetes experiment in my mind I picture because they painted a really great picture you have you're gonna have containers that are equal citizens to virtual machines when I heard when containers are equal citizens to VMs are her base capability of vSphere will be the ability to support containers so that that CRX daemon that they're using the run the pods will just be available to let's let's say that it was a license key thing which is basically is that if I wanted to deploy ESXi hold I put it in the key and I have access to the ten zoo grid which is the the platform for running which is the kubernetes distribution what it turned out to be is to your point you know this whole sddc this whole software-defined data center design and it's a very open aided version of the sddc I can have an SD DC that has NetApp storage virtual switches without NS XT in this environment that being where will bless yes that's the software-defined data center as we defined it versus this VCF version of it specifically for kubernetes being word has said that though ease the requirements like dropping the requirement for v s-- and i think if you're looking to deploy kubernetes into being were - xt just makes sense I don't cooperate these networking has never been that great out of the box so you do need a an additional experience so if you're a VMware customer it makes sits to embrace NSX T as the model for networking but just in general I just feel like I feel for the market e like yeah the what what was going to come is not exactly what what what we get yeah I I agree and you know there's there's another point you'd be you know this is not suitable for smaller scale deployments right the factory basically have yeah and but I don't think it makes sense in a long run I mean they better make sure the kinks are removed from this first version and make it available on a more logical skill because know to be to be fair I think if they want to be successful with kubernetes the experience should be so integrated so great that you know there's no reason to go to a different provider because kubernetes you know for lack of a better word has become a commodity there's so many players out there that you know if I were you know if I were to work at a customer I would definitely look at the experience the ease of management the the cost of it technical complexity requirements on a technical level - you know to make sure I don't have to spend as many cycles in managing this and you know that's where I fear the complexity of time zoo and project Pacific is is going to be a problem for vmware so i think we're both on the same page when it comes to that the promise and the potential is for enterprise customers specifically large enterprise customers to never ever happen to say oh should I consider a federal federal federal federal federal federal plan or should I consider some other distribution to manage compute for me no VMware it kind of has taken care of that for me in my base licensing I'm already buying a bunch of being more stuff and just I just happened to get kubernetes which is no big deal and VMware to the credit of VMware some of the things that really love about vSphere seven outside of kubernetes is the introduction of namespaces so as I'm thinking about CI CD application development managing network for pukin storage and the cloud native way or framework the addition of namespaces was a requirement that one is gonna take VI admins a little bit of time to get up speed to but once they're up to speed the ability to do these kubernetes like functions may surpass even the need for most environments to even have kubernetes to begin with so once they work out the kinks I think it's a great concept but it is definitely one that old software what what let's leave the audience what if you're a VMware customer and you need kubernetes today where would you put VMware and that discussion with what you've seen so far I mean you know community solves a different set of problems right it doesn't solve necessarily any infrastructure problems it solves development problems where you need to have a you know but firm to deploy applications but on the you know on the speed with the speed of the developer taking care of their requirements and their wishes so you know if you have a kubernetes problem right now you probably you know a you probably don't really have a coronaries problem you just have a people problem because they all want kubernetes but really what they're saying is i want to deploy in my own containers and i want to do so without you know security and without operations and all those people breathing down my neck so a you probably don't have a real community's problem you may have a people problem you may have a scalability problem but you probably also have a self-service problem that's what's what cloud souls for so many people is the ability for a developer or an engineer somewhere in the environment somewhere in the organization so you go and solve their own problems so you know my best bet is to you to start looking at your existing environment whether that's vm or something else and make sure that the the people using the platform are actually able to use it for themselves without you know opening a ticket without waiting for two weeks in a queue make sure that everything is self-service on demand and if you need career data to go to do that you know totally fine go that route of there are so many other options even within the portfolio of vmware to solve those problems so you'll joke where can people find you on the web and your company so you can find me on virtual lifestyle donnell that's my blog and on twitter my handle is at JP Skaro j each car just google me and you'll get my spelling that's it for this episode of the CTO advisor you want to find me you can find me on the web the CTO buzzer comm you can find the podcast in your favorite podcast application hit me up on twitter with any questions and CTO visor talk to you next CTO visor podcast
