Managed Kubernetes w Nathaniel Avery
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[Music] hey how's your honesty Townsend from the CTO of Viacom and work at the Cosmopolitan I hope you're watching the playlist of all the videos were creating doing AWS reinvent 2018 mate Avery may what what's your uh what is your blog my blog is not your dad's IT not your dis IT mm-hmm amazing from not your desk I see 55,000 people I just heard might be a teeny agree of it yeah it's safe to say and if it was hard to say in Vegas that a conference might have outgrown the strip it's really amazing to see the number of people here to kind of feel how passionate they are but in a way it's also kind of neat because you can walk through any of the locations for instance I'm saying at the Aria you got into breakfast you hang out at the buffet and you know you can talk shop right and it's it's really kind of neat from that person almost any person that you meet is gonna be here for each of these really meant you can bring up manche kubernetes randomly at it with a table full of strangers and they'll know what you're talking about yeah yeah it is which is weird you know we've gone to big shows here and you know 20,000 25,000 plus not quite the same thing but you know 55,000 folks yeah so speaking of manage two days you were recently on to pack it pushes out maybe put a link to that packet pushes episode down there really great job thank you and I thought I'd have you on on the CTO dose to talk through mensch kinetics you know kubernetes has been a super active space with IBM by Red Hat the company I worked for VMware announced that they're gonna buy hefty old kubernetes services to support organization so I thought it'd be you know a great idea is we if we talk a little bit about man in yeah it's it's really an interesting space because you see so much as you say the Red Hat acquisition but it's everywhere you know you come in from the airport and there's a big old sign about NetApp's managed kubernetes service and and it's I think we're almost getting like peak kubernetes now but it makes sense right you know clearly there's a lot of passion around it there's a lot of interest in it and everyone's trying to get their hands around what do I do with these containers how do I manage them at scale and what's the best way to do that and you know this story isn't unlike in a way the OpenStack story a few years ago people get excited with the idea of building your own private cloud however when they looked at OpenStack no one really wanted any parts of managing OpenStack on-site now to hire a set of PhDs to run their private cloud when you look at oh when you look at kubernetes you know our good symbol of excellence in the community at Google is what's the guy that works today's cloud at Google I want to say we're both black so I can see the black guy yeah yeah Kelsi Hightower Kelsey hi is now yes yeah you know he wrote the book kubernetes the hard way because literally you can do kubernetes the hard way yeah but I don't know many people try to do it the hard way yeah so there's managed kubernetes can you give us a you know kind of the five thousand foot view of coop menu screenings yeah the first thing that comes to mind would be a platform like openshift mm-hmm but since we're here at AWS I would say AWS is eks is also a good one and the idea is to take that kubernetes the hard way and make it a little bit easier to digest right you want to be able to hit all the high notes I need to create my containers in a pod and I want to be able to control how many instances are being spun up what are those circumstances in which should do to do it and how do I take my code and get it deployed and running resilient ly as possible then I'll be remiss since I work for video I don't want to get any nasty notes yeah from my co-workers if I don't mention VMware's man discriminating service so there's the the obligatory VMware mention of that service but the ideal is pretty simple you know you don't want to get into business of managing the container orchestration you want to deleverage it you want to use it you want to consume it so right there that's somebody upgraded there's someone else maintain it etc but I just want to consume it let's peel back the layers of this you've used some of these services what is some of the unseen parts of even managed to bananas yeah there's still stuff you need to know I mean it's it's a technical field you need to have some sense of what it is you're gonna get into you have to think about what it is you altima wish to get out of it you have a thing about your networking a lot of the services are really nice and that they abstract that away but you can only get so far with that level of abstraction you know of abstracted knowledge know what's happening under the covers when you start looking at how do I want my containers to talk not just to each other but to the outside world there are things you need to consider and it's as well as things where most of the services do a pretty good job of it mhm but you still just want to kind of know so let's let's peel back the leaders a little bit all day back when I went to dr.
m. and then that spawns containers yeah or I can continue to interact with the containers directly right now of course you know some of these things may vary based on your vendor you know your mileage may vary mm-hmm but you know that's what I've seen so far let's say things that are inflexible like if I wanted to bring my own networking stack if I if my company is invested in whether it's NSX PCI contrail then the list goes on and on if my company has invested and this operating model for security yeah can I bring that model with me to manage kubernetes that's interesting I I haven't haven't been there yet mm-hmm haven't really played around with bringing in the full external stack right assumes the customers I work with it just haven't hit Derry and I think that's what I to be honest and that's what I see - I think I enough whether I'm talking to Joe Beda from hefty oh I'm talking to someone from openshift the you know we kind of see we read something and we think that the industry is you know that far ahead and in reality most customers are kind of like we're crawl yeah where we are even walking and running to say that we need this level integration yeah yeah I think in the real world well we just another room was kind of relative but there are a lot of companies who are still just getting their handle around containers and understanding well which were closed even makes sense in a container and only then do they realize oh hey I have this problem of managing these containers at scale and maybe then I need kubernetes or weddings to manage kubernetes services not too many people jump straight into that that method of delivery so even if the early stage of container dolphin new customers really care about the orchestration layer that though is like the organization layer has to be kubernetes is that a hard requirement because when I look at when I look at Amazon and what they that what they've done they've done sands currents they went Maysles in their own what they've now open-source ought to get their container platform but they've done that with alternative set of tools and they seem to be fairly good at you know running infrastructure yeah so like a requirement that they there's contain an orchestration or is the requirement that is coordinate my gut tells me that it should be about the business value mm-hmm and that it shouldn't matter whether it's kubernetes or any other platform if it hits your requirements right however we used to make that same argument about virtualization and then it turned into everyone just kind of going with VMware right and there were reasons for that the tool sets just work better there was just this huge momentum around the product there was the ecosystem you can't and the ink okay now deny the power of the ecosystem yeah and you can find a take include better solution in the kubernetes but try finding someone to manage exactly and I think that's where we are now with kubernetes it's just that's the standard now that's what we work with that's what everyone's putting time and effort into learning and from that aspect I think that kind of works because you want the business to succeed at whatever implements and when you have sort of this this frontrunner it allows everyone to kind of rally around it so let's close out any like high-level recommendations for people wanting to try out kubernetes should they install it in their laptop should they go for many servers you know they're just in that I want to kick the tires things what's the best way to kick your tires or Koopalings do they go out and buy Kelsi Hightower's man can kubernetes darling I suggest you go out and buy Chelsie Hightower yeah managing kubernetes I probably regardless because it's just a great way to learn the basics about kubernetes yeah yeah I would say start I start with a lot of the playlists that are out there on YouTube there's tons of stuff out there Kelsey Hightower gives talks it seems all the time find some of those watch them internalize that internalize it mm-hmm and then definitely get your hands on time nearly all of the major cloud vendors have some version of it and you can try Red Hat I believe they have learning links as well and labs that are available just take advantage of anything that you can find out there all right Nathan Avery you your blog your blog site again is not your dad's IT and we can find you on twitter at under nathaniel underscore avery all right Nate having you on the CTO of Ozzie Kyoto's for those of you not familiar with the CQ adviser you can find us on the web the CTO advisor comm you can find me on twitter at CTO advisor i just felt a proper way for all in our
